Editor's Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly indicated that stocks had stagnated on an inflation-adjusted basis.
"Hear Me Now, Believe Me Later," was the title of two separate and prescient pieces penned by Pomboy, an economist and founder of the MacroMavens research boutique. One, published in March 2006, foretold the disastrous costs of the housing bubble. The second, somewhat later, laid out the consequences of the bubble's "financial echo." Today, Pomboy predicts something more draconian: the demise of fiat money—currencies that aren't backed by anything other than government decrees that they have value.
We checked in with her last week, as central banks around the globe weighed more easing and as Fed chief Ben Bernanke described to Congress the headwinds facing the U.S. economy, including the automatic tax increases and spending cuts set for year end, called the "fiscal cliff." With the Fed being the biggest buyer of Treasuries, Pomboy thinks the 40-year-old fiat system will crack within five years.
Barron's : What don't investors anticipate today?
Pomboy: That the Fed will be a presence in the Treasury market for a long, long, long time. Some believe that, with another round of quantitative easing, we move forward, emerge from the morass, and the need for further intervention will dissipate. But the Fed is really the only natural buyer of Treasuries anymore. It will have to continue to monetize Treasury issuance at the same time all the other major developed economies—from the Bank of Japan to the Bank of England to the European Central Bank—are doing the same. Pursue that to its natural conclusion, and you see the inevitable demise of fiat money. To look at our policies and not be concerned about the risks to our currency would be dangerously naive.
One step at a time. When is the next round of QE?
You recently wrote an entire piece about the importance of the Bank of Kazakhstan. Why?
Economics is so dull! You have to inject a little levity when you can. We know that the Bank of China, India, and major emerging-market economies have been slowly diversifying out of their dollar reserves into hard assets. When you get to the point that the Bank of Kazakhstan is thinking: "We really need to figure out a way to diversify out of dollars," it is a pretty profound statement about the quality of the dollar. Here in the U.S., it doesn't seem like any investor is concerned about the risk of the demise of fiat money. I'm sure most people think I should be fitted for a straitjacket.
The real urgency for QE is not the economic outlook, but that the Fed has made itself the only natural buyer of Treasuries; during QE2 they were 61% of the market. At the peak of the housing bubble and globalization nirvana, foreigners absorbed 82% of Treasury issuance; today, it's 26%. While we are enjoying a short flight-to-safety bid, courtesy of Germany's Angela Merkel and the euro-zone crisis, that's not a sustainable financing strategy. Now people are paying for the privilege, after inflation, of owning that paper. We have over $1 trillion annually in Treasury issuance, and our foreign creditors are buying $300 billion. That's being absorbed by the flight-to-safety bid, as hedge funds cover short positions and bond managers extend duration.
Our creditors have limited diversification choices, too.
Changed Dynamics
Foreigners once were the prime buyers of U.S. Treasury securities, accounting for 82% of purchases. Now, they account for just 26%, and the Federal Reserve is the No. 1 customer.
Well, they're now recycling dollars into hard assets. Conveniently, commodities trade in dollars. The thing that makes hard assets so alluring is their finite supply. All these central banks are going to discover they can't amass commodities as rapidly as the Fed, ECB, and BOE can debase their currencies. That's why we are speeding toward hard money.
What triggers it, and when does it happen?
It could happen in a couple of ways. One, the inflation rate in the U.S. picks up and the Fed finds itself forced to continue quantitative easing, because it must absorb the Treasury funding slack, despite rising headline inflation. At which point it's obvious to everyone that the Fed is buying Treasuries because it is slavishly monetizing the expansion of the government. That would be such a naked dollar-debasing tactic it might impel the Bank of China to say: "Look, we demand a capital-preservation guarantee." They made that threat almost two years ago. Instead of enforcing it, they've accelerated their diversification out of our paper. And in conjunction with Russia, they are working on trading in non-dollar transactions.
I don't see it in the next 12 months. I think a five-year time horizon is very, very realistic. I envision a gold-backed currency system. We are going back to hard money, rather than a fiat system where debtors can silently default by inflating their debts away.
How does the demise of fiat money affect investors?
There would be a knee-jerk negative reaction, but when the dust settled, it would be clear we were actually moving into a responsible policy. The realization that we are going down this road will be very bearish for stocks and bonds with the exception of Treasuries, which the Fed will continue to cap. You will have immediate and dramatic increases in commodity prices and inflation expectations.
I would own gold versus developed-market currencies. You want to be long emerging-market creditor currencies, versus developed-market debtors. Oil would be an absolute-return asset: Central banks are amassing strategic resources like oil. Companies tied to mining and commodity production are absolute-return areas.
One relative-return play is to overweight large-cap multinationals that benefit from having consumers outside the U.S. and underweight small-cap U.S.-centric companies. Another play on the budget-conscious U.S. consumer versus fraying high-end activity is overweighting Wal-Mart versus Nordstrom
Until then, what happens to our markets?
Since 2002, I've been bullish on gold and on Treasuries and generally negative about stocks. Over that stretch stocks have gone exactly nowhere, gold has gone up a ton, and Treasury yields have gone from 5% to 1.5%. In general, we have diminishing marginal returns on each round of QE. I would see a high of 1400 on the S&P 500 and, should we go over the fiscal cliff, a low of 500. [The S&P was recently 1377.]
On the bond side, there's not a lot more money to be made. I wouldn't be short, because the Fed will really work to maintain rates at those levels. The highest-quality corporate yields may compress further. I'm concerned about junk, where spreads are hovering at 2005 lows. Is it reasonable for junk companies to borrow at the same rate when unemployment is higher and GDP and consumer spending growth are lower?
Thanks, Stephanie.






















